The Nameless Mod [Основная тема]

[AndreyMust19]

Нет, я просто говорил как можно пройти игру на англ. языке не зная его.

Забыл, что была куча пиратских переводов.

 

Насчет Nameless Mod. Хотелось бы оценить длину игры. Я остановился на задании где надо проникнуть в WorldCorp и установить spyware на серверы. Сколько % игры я приблизительно прошел?

[Gelu McAllister]

Насчет Nameless Mod. Хотелось бы оценить длину игры. Я остановился на задании где надо проникнуть в WorldCorp и установить spyware на серверы. Сколько % игры я приблизительно прошел?

 

Не больше 10-15%, на мой взгляд. В общем это только-только начало действий, если учитывать и второстепенные задания.

 

UPD: Хотя нет, не больше 10%.

Изменено 20 января 2011 пользователем Gelu McAllister

[Шрам]

Я в первый раз проходил Деус очень долго, я даже не понимал слов в некоторых газетах, перевод был русский угарный, озвучка ещё лучше :D

Спасибо за ответы, мой вопрос закрыт)

[Gelu McAllister]

В общем, наконец закончил знакомство с этим модом.

Итак, скажу точно, что на данный момент это лучший из всех модов, которому, помимо всего, удалось практически полностью передать атмосферу оригинального Деуса; плюс вдобавок ко всему с хорошими шутками. Мне также как и в случае с оригинальной игрой во время прохождения возникало жгучее желание жить внутри мода - для меня это один из важных показателей того, что атмосфера передана максимально близко к оригиналу.

Особенно доставил момент, когда Тресткон говорит: "В этом городе есть хоть одно здание в котором не было бы секретных лабораторий?" И ответ King Kashue: "Ты же знаешь - здесь все являются фанатами Deus Ex".

Особо расписывать нечего так как в моде сделано практически все на отлично: прекрасные районы города, отличная музыка. Единственные встреченные мною косяки - это когда единственный путь только через вентиляционную шахту, но влезть туда без пароля не получается, так как ты итак находишься в присяде, а залезть внутрь мешает рамка вокруг входа в эту самую шахту, и самое главное подпрыгнуть также нельзя, так как потолок низкий(одно такое место в AI Mainframe на HTTP GameSpy; и вроде еще парочку встречал подобных).

Также немного огорчило отсутствие широкой вариативности концовок, так как потенциал вполне позволял; я имею ввиду вариативность не каком-то конкретном различии концовок, а в нюансах. Хотя можно было DXO сделать полноценной играбельной стороной, на мой взгляд.

 

Отдельно хотел бы упомянуть отвратительный раздражающий новый звук меча Зуб Дракона - лучше бы оставили старый звук. Не покидало ощущение что это не наномеч, а какая-то "лазерная-шмазерная" вундервафля.

 

 

Как ни странно, но мне ближе всех оказалась концовка за ABI, которая чем-то напоминает концовку за Тонга в оригинальном Деусе (в самый первый раз я честно выбрал концовку за Тонга).

 

to DeadDazz:(

Советую все же пройти за WC. Объясню почему: именно в этой сюжетной линии в самом конце предоставляется возможность от всей души отомстить придурку Scara B. King. В сюжетной линии за PDX это воспринимается как нечто обыденное, а вот за WC - это настоящая месть за все коверкания имени и издевательства. =)

 

 

P.S.

Секретная концовка это та, где нужно поговорить с каким-то разноцветным кубом?

Изменено 21 января 2011 пользователем Gelu McAllister

[AndreyMust19]

Секретная концовка это та, где нужно поговорить с каким-то разноцветным кубом?

Да, нужно сделать что-то непростительное, что не предусмотрено сюжетом.

Что именно - не скажу, спойлер. :)

Изменено 21 января 2011 пользователем AndreyMust19

[Gelu McAllister]

Да, нужно сделать что-то непростительное, что не предусмотрено сюжетом.

Что именно - не скажу, спойлер. :)

 

Я не совсем понимаю, что подразумевается под непростительным, случаем не "look for the glitches on the Construct"? (ну или примерно так было сформулировано задание) :) Если да, то все-таки посмотрел ее.

[Dima]

P.S.

Секретная концовка это та, где нужно поговорить с каким-то разноцветным кубом?

 

Посмотри внимательно тему. Мы ее уже обсуждали выше.

[DeadDazz:(]

Отдельно хотел бы упомянуть отвратительный раздражающий новый звук меча Зуб Дракона - лучше бы оставили старый звук. Не покидало ощущение что это не наномеч, а какая-то "лазерная-шмазерная" вундервафля.

 

Ну загнул :)

Я когда играл первый раз, то нашел только где можно было купить Зуб Дракона. Потратил на него все деньги. Зашел в ВудуШоп, увидел Катану Цифрового Ронина и X_x

Перезагрузился на два сейва назад, и поднакопил на катану)

Кстати их в игре есть несколько вариаций. Есть катана Слайсера - она там не особо крутая, просто серого цвета. Ну про огненный клинок Deus Diablo многие знают наверн. А вот есть еще ДаиКатана от Джона Ромеро - оружие чистой воды хардкорное. Каждый раз взмахивая или нанося им удар вы получаете урон и по своему персонажу. Pure challenge.

[Gelu McAllister]

Ну загнул :)

Я когда играл первый раз, то нашел только где можно было купить Зуб Дракона. Потратил на него все деньги. Зашел в ВудуШоп, увидел Катану Цифрового Ронина и X_x

Перезагрузился на два сейва назад, и поднакопил на катану)

Кстати их в игре есть несколько вариаций. Есть катана Слайсера - она там не особо крутая, просто серого цвета. Ну про огненный клинок Deus Diablo многие знают наверн. А вот есть еще ДаиКатана от Джона Ромеро - оружие чистой воды хардкорное. Каждый раз взмахивая или нанося им удар вы получаете урон и по своему персонажу. Pure challenge.

 

я сначала тоже купил Зуб Дракона, не догадываясь что могут быть и другие мечи. Потом увидел катану в ВудуШоп, сохранился, украл - посмотрел на статы и загрузился нафиг. То же самое с клинком Deus Diablo - нафига такой клинок в конце если у меня итак все на максимум прокачено к тому времени и Зуба Дракона хватает за глаза? Ну, да это уже придирки. Впрочем как я понял из TNM.wiki все эти мечи от Зуба Дракона отличаются лишь тем, что они лучше него ломают решетки\преград etc. Ну и меч Deus Diablo поджигает на всякий случай. А так, - как был самый большой урон на людей у Зуба Дракона так и остался.

Изменено 22 января 2011 пользователем Gelu McAllister

[AndreyMust19]

Где ключ от двери в Servers на 2-м этаже WorldCorp?

 

Не успели! Я уже нашел лаз через вентиляцию. Ключ к этой компане - в Storage.

Изменено 22 января 2011 пользователем AndreyMust19

[Gelu McAllister]

А, такой еще вопрос. Я нашел первый том книги в ВудуШоп. Если следовать тому, что в ней написано, то второй том должен находиться где-то в Goat Temple. Все облазил - не нашел. Тогда полез в TNM.wiki и там сказано, что чтобы найти нужно "frobbing an elevated light" в этом самом храме. И вот этого я так до конца и не понял. Кто-нить разобрался что именно надо сделать?

А то я ту комнату со вторым томом книги только с помощью ghost нашел.

[AndreyMust19]

Извините за глупый вопрос, но как пользоваться встроенным irc-клиентом?

Ввожу в консоли irc. Мне пишет про подключение к какому-то каналу и Register first. Дальше что? Где регистрироваться-то?

[Gelu McAllister]

Извините за глупый вопрос, но как пользоваться встроенным irc-клиентом?

Ввожу в консоли irc. Мне пишет про подключение к какому-то каналу и Register first. Дальше что? Где регистрироваться-то?

 

В консоли? О_о Я может че не так понял, но вроде выход в irc есть только на определенных компах. Я в самом начале игры, вроде в квартире у Phasmatis, нажал на компе на кнопку IRC, и у меня игра свернулась из-за фаервола, который начал возмущаться.Я решил, что мне нужен IRC и потому отменил запрос.

[AndreyMust19]

Кажется понял. Надо вводить:

irc login

А говорить - командой say.

[DeadDazz:(]

хммм странно, а у меня только логин внести надо и все, говорит и без say O_o кстати один раз я все таки попал, и на том канале сидело около 10 человек)))

[Gelu McAllister]

Такой вот вопрос: кто-нить знает что за чувак с желтым лицом, по имени Fury Leader, ошивается в первый день на вышке, рядом с площадкой для вертолета, в Трущобах? Причем он абсолютно ничего не говорит.

 

В общем, я выяснил для себя что это за чувак. Если кому-то интересно знать, то это оказывается отсылка к фильму The Warriors (1979).

 

Yep, random film reference:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080120/

 

Blame whichever one of our skinners decided to make those textures on a whim. I forget who it was - probably Breadfan :)

[Dima]

хммм странно, а у меня только логин внести надо и все, говорит и без say O_o кстати один раз я все таки попал, и на том канале сидело около 10 человек)))

Вчера начал проходить.

 

 

Мне было лень ждать ответа, потому что впереди был потрясный книжный магазин в котором я надолго застрял периодически сваливаясь со стула от хохота.

 

 

Разговор с Крисом

Who are you?

Who am I and why am I here? A good question full of depth and meaning.

 

Actually I figured you own this shop, given that you're standing behind the counter. This is the Fan Fic Shop, no?

It is indeed, and I am indeed the co-owner along with walton simons. Will there be anything else?

 

Did you say Walton Simons?

No, I said walton simons. Walton is a figment of your imagination, he isn't there. You reach out to touch him and end up with nothing in your hands, he's an apparition, a consensual hallucination of the many, he's three steps to the left of reality. Actually he's in the cellar. He's just a guy who, like me, is very interested in the depths of Deus Ex. The first thing sounded cooler though. I am Chris the Cynic, known in some circles as Frodo of Rubik. I am the co-owner of this shop, I am also the librarian, researcher, and archeologist of all things Deus Ex. If it can be known, then chances are I know it. If it can't be known then chances are I've got a theory. Basically walton simons and I are the resident researchers of Deus Ex around here. We sound the depths of back story and theory, we venture into the shadowy territory of missing missions, we do other boring things that I can probably make sound interesting.

 

What can you tell me about Deus Ex?

Deus Ex is a work of fiction that employs a new interactive method of storytelling combining written word, spoken word, visual input, and an integrated system for interactivity. It employs the venerable but not outdated method of involving the user by having the protagonist portrayed as a "blank." What that means is that the main character, JC Denton, doesn't show emotion, allowing the person utilizing the fiction to project their own emotions onto him._It has a strong narrative thread in which the individual situations can be solved in many different ways, but the overall events remain the same, implying a kind of limited situational fatalism. However, at the climax the outcome is determined purely by freewill, although that freewill is limited._This is just a small shadow of the deep philosophical background of the story. The climax, in which freewill is paramount, is not just a physical clash but an intellectual one in which a mimetic war finally reaches an apex. Finally, it has a Hemmingway-like sprinkling of New Testament Christian symbolism. I guess I should also mention that it's told in a combination of third person and first person, both singular, with an objective style that features an implied deep penetration of a limited nature. Further, it's a video game.

 

Can you tell me anything else about Deus Ex?

Right now I can tell you about AIs, the Illuminati, the security clearances, and the general state of the world.

If you come back tomorrow, I can prepare some new info for you.

 

I want to ask you some questions.

Of course, I'll always help one on the way to enlightenment. Was that too cliché?

 

Tell me about the AIs.

An AI is an Artificial Intelligence, more specifically an Electronic Sentience. It is important to note the difference.

If you use the actual definition of Artificial Intelligence, the grays qualify, but The Oracle doesn't. Artificial just means something created by man, and Intelligence is intelligence, so technically anything genetically engineered that is intelligent is Artificial Intelligence, whereas an electronic entity that gained Sentience without the help of man would not be an AI. In the game, and indeed the world, the term AI is used to mean Electronic Sentience. The game employs about six electronic sentient entities. I say "about" six because one was cut, but it is possible that it still played an important role the backstory, meaning it is twice removed from the game. I can tell you about that one as well as Helios and the Oracle. Walton specializes in the three remaining AIs. So, what do you want to know?

 

Why can't you tell me about the others?

When walton and I started this shop all those somethings ago, we knew that people would come in here asking about artificial intelligence as it appears in Deus Ex. In the game, there are five AIs, five is a prime number, it can't be divided... thus we were left with a problem. However, in the removed plot there is a sixth, in addition to being a first-degree non-prime, six has another thing going for it: one of its factors is two. As there are two of us, we each decided to specialize in three of the AIs. Walton is the person to ask when talking about Icarus, Daedalus and Morpheus.

 

Tell me about Helios.

Helios is an AI who was created in a rather odd and uncontrolled way: He is a combination of Daedalus, a rogue AI, and Icarus, a later version of Daedalus designed to obey. If you want to know about those AIs, or their prototype Morpheus, you should ask walton simons. Helios is the name of a Greek god. However, it gets confusing after that because the Greek gods were sort of amorphous in nature. It seems that this particular incarnation of this particular god was very special, he wasn't just a sun god like Apollo, he was the personification of the sun itself. Obviously, as a god who WAS the sun, he had a lot going for him; after all Apollo, a mere god of the sun, was also god of Prophesy. Helios was considered all-seeing, so that's probably why the name was chosen.

 

Deus Ex's Helios had two equally important functions. For one thing, Page wanted a surveillance system that was better than that provided by Icarus. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly to Page personally, was that Page wanted to become the Supreme Enlightened One. To become this person, Page planned to merge with Helios; because Helios "saw and knew everything", no one could be more enlightened. Helios believes that ambition is the cause of human struggles (read: wars) which he considers inane. In his mind, lack of ambition is what generates a good leader. Actually this view is not new, but the problem is that anyone who lacks ambition can not achieve power. Douglas Adams solved this in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by having a man who only wanted to be left alone rule the entire universe. Helios would appear to be a fan of The Guide: He believes that no human being who can get themselves put in charge should have power, and he believes that there should be someone in charge. His solution is to put himself, who is not a human being, in charge.

 

He seems to think that a benevolent dictatorship is the key to a better world, but that this totalitarian dictator must be someone lacking ambition; again: him. He sees democratic governments as crude solutions to the problem of human beings' inability to govern themselves. This too is nothing new; the old saying is that a democracy is the worst form of government except for all others that have ever been created. Once more, his solution is to place himself in charge as he is "a more advanced solution to the problem, a decision-making system that does not involve organic beings." Human beings are unfit to govern, singularly or in groups, and he is fit to govern. Helios is also connected to Morpheus' prophecies. Morpheus talks about the future a lot; he's a simple AI - if something as complex as an AI can be said to be simple - but he acts like a prophet. He says various things of value, especially when you take the Helios ending into account. One of the most interesting things he says is about the unplanned organism vs. the planned one. But we don't need to go into that if you don't want to.

 

Nono, I want to hear.

Morpheus distinguishes between the unplanned organism, which he says is a question asked by nature and answered by death, and the planned organism, which he defines as "the offspring of knowledge and imagination rather than of individuals." As such, it is hard to classify Helios; he is the offspring of individuals, Daedalus and Icarus, but they are the offspring of knowledge and imagination, and what they were was not lost when he was created. Thus, he is both planned and unplanned. It is difficult to understand the question of Helios, or the answer, but it is obvious that the simple answer of death is not the answer of Helios.

 

Okay, but what was this you said about his connection to Morpheus' prophecies?

The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems that you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment. Helios is such a self-aware system, and if JC merges with him, he will fill the vacancy that God was once thought to fill as ruler of the entire planet. Morpheus also said: "God was a dream of good government." In that case, Helios fulfils that dream, effectively becoming God.

 

How did Helios take control of the world?

Aquinas controls the power grid, the stock markets, the Internet at large, and various other things. What's more, all but a few satellites are run through MJ12, and thus Area 51. Radio stations, phones, newspapers, and even that tabloid, the Midnight Sun, all belong to MJ12, meaning that they are run through, or controlled remotely by, Area 51. Helios controls most of Area 51, and after he merges with JC, he'll take the rest of it. That means he can shut down the power to his enemies, and he can also stop them from communicating. Even more powerful is the fact that Aquinas has a "flaw" in it that allows emails to be edited in addition to monitored. Helios can misdirect and confuse the enemy, he can stop scattered forces from organizing a resistance, or he can trick groups into believing they are resisting him when they are really working for him. Of course this is speculation on the future; we don't know that he would do that, we just know that he could. What he did during the game was messing with the power, cutting power to the government buildings, and simply giving out orders. He ordered the police to open the streets and they did. He also locked the door to a triad compound. With these few actions, he took over Hong Kong. What strategies he would use once he knew how human beings thought is unknown.

 

What about the The Oracle?

The Oracle is the fifth AI. Everyone who plays the game knows about Daedalus, Icarus, and Helios, and most know of Morpheus, but quite a few never notice the emails with the cryptic return address, "rosycross". These emails were sent by the Internet Oracle. The Oracle is an AI that pretends to be a society of people exchanging information based on the old Usenet Oracle, but serious rather than funny. The Oracle was not made by people, and thus does not have a purpose assigned to it; its only goal is information and understanding. The Oracle was created when the Internet itself, or some subset of it, became aware of its own existence. While the way people use it is the same as the way the Usenet Oracle worked - submit a question and get an answer in exchange for answering questions yourself - there is an important difference. Instead of the Oracle priesthood sifting through the questions and answers looking for the most humourous of both, you now have an AI doing the sifting, trying to sort out the truth. The Oracle's origins are rather peculiar. They say if you have an infinite amount of monkeys at an infinite amount of typewriters, one will eventually bang out Hamlet. Apparently, if you have a bunch of idiots at a bunch of computers, one will inadvertently create an AI.

 

Oh come on, that's a load of bull.

The simple answer is we don't know, we can only speculate. My first guess was that it was originally a translator program. Translating from one language to another is still impossible by computer. Yes, you can create a word for word literal translation, but this isn't really good at all. Words don't mean the same things always, for example in English the phrase, "sleep with," often means, "have sex with," a literal translation might not convey that meaning. In the end, the only way for a computer to accurately translate from one language to another is for it to understand the language. Understanding is all that is required to learn. The problem is that if that was the case, The Oracle would be created, which we were told it wasn't. Until someone comes up with a compelling theory, I guess we are left to assume that it happened either by chance or divine intervention, just like the start of life on this planet.

 

What is the Oracle? What is it really?

Morpheus said, "The unplanned organism is a question asked by nature and answered by death." The Oracle is an unplanned organism. But he also said that JC was "the offspring of knowledge and imagination" and that was the important thing about being engineered. As a child of the 'Net, and an embodiment of the 'Net, The Oracle is in essence a product solely of knowledge and imagination. All knowledge posted on the unencrypted 'Net - every email, every news post, every crazy theory - went into the creation of The Oracle. Further, the third function of the 'Net, after pornography and the exchange of knowledge, is the exchange of ideas, feelings, stories, thoughts, in short: imagination.

 

The Oracle is the unplanned organism, but it is also the product of knowledge and imagination. It is a question asked not by nature, but by the Internet itself, and what is the Internet but an extension of the intellectual properties of mankind? The Oracle is a question, but it isn't the same one asked by nature. It is asked by people, the human organism as a whole. It is the question that drives us, the question that defines us, the question that all human endeavor works to solve. No, it isn't "What is the Matrix?" It is "Why? Why are we here? Why do we feel the way we do? Why is the World screwed up? Why?" Anything a human does is either a result of the "why?" we try to find or an attempt to answer that "why?" We all strive towards the answer because we feel it will give us purpose, meaning, and fulfillment. The Oracle is that question, and everything it does is an attempt to answer it. To this end, it hordes information, lots of it. It researches everything from secret government products to favorite colours. It is trying to gain human understanding, and, if it does, it will finally answer the question of "why?"

 

And the one they removed?

The removed AI is known as Ada. Ada is an AI that lives on the moon; she wanted to become benevolent dictator of Earth. Before the moon base was cut out of the game, JC was going to go there to stop her.

 

So if she was cut along with the moon level, how do you know about her?

Ada was mentioned as a footnote in the Deus Ex Bible. The footnote said "NOTE: The Deus Ex 1 design included a mission to a space station followed by a mission to the moon base. The objective was to stop 'Ada,' an AI that wanted to become 'benevolent' world dictator. Obviously, some of that content was folded back into the game in a slightly different way." Obviously that isn't the most informative thing. Helios wanted to become dictator, so I assume that was the folding back in, but Helios was going to use Aquinas. Ada had no such tool.

 

What can you tell me about Ada?

That depends on whether you want fact or theory.

 

Fact.

Then I can't tell you anything else. The footnote is the only piece of solid fact we have to go by. "Fact" in the sense that it comes straight from the development team of Deus Ex._

 

Alright, then let me hear what theories you have about Ada.

Okay, first I have some theories about her creation. Ada was on the Moon - one would assume that she was at the only moon base we are told exists. It is owned by the Chinese government and the machinery was built by McMoran Global Steel. McMoran is a rival of Page Industries to the point that Page went so far as to attempt a hostile takeover. The fact that Page failed means McMoran has a lot of power. Now, say for a moment that someone were to come up to McMoran and tell them that Page had the most advanced AI in existence; in fact, as far as they know, the only one in existence. Wouldn't McMoran want it? Of course who could know that? And more importantly, who could help them make it? Well, in the intro, Page says that MJ12's electronic sentience is far superior to X-51's; but in the game, we never see X-51's electronic sentience. Where did it go? The answer to that question could explain another important question about X-51: "Where did they get the money for Vandenberg?" If X-51 approached McMoran with a proposal to sell them an electronic sentience stolen from Page, they might be given enough money to buy Vandenberg. That would explain a lot about X-51 and Ada. As for why she's on the moon, I've got an idea on that. The moon is a place that would be hard to spy on.

 

Hm, you make a good point. I wish some of this had made it into the game, at least in the form of some datacube texts or something. But I do wonder: What were Ada's plans?

The moon base is a mining complex. They shoot the shipments back to Earth with something called a mass driver. The first time it was used, the shipment crashed into a populated area: Ibadan, Nigeria. Even though it impacted on the outskirts, it killed over 2,000, perhaps quite a bit over. There is really no way to know what happened. Was it an error? That's what we are told, but seldom is what we are told correct. That was an odd sentence. It might have been an MJ12 plot, at once discrediting McMoran, who built the mass driver, and giving the UN access to Nigeria, which houses one of the few remaining pockets of freedom. It might have been an act of the Chinese government, which was arguing the moon rights with Nigeria. This relates to Ada in a very simple way: The mass driver is something that can shoot death out of the sky. She might have been able to rule the world just by threatening to destroy any city that opposed her. After a dozen or two cities, Earth might well surrender to her rule.

 

Tell me about the Illuminati.

The Illuminati have been around for ages, but they keep on dying off and being reborn. The most recent time they were reborn they had the name "The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria". As that is a bit of a mouthful they are called the Illuminati for short. This incarnation was founded by Adam Weishaupt as a sub-sect of the Freemasons. They were promptly killed off - such is life. Rumors say that they survived; in fact not only did they survive, they went on to rule the world from the shadows. In the world of Deus Ex, not only is this true, but they were also founded in the United States a wee bit later. In the US, they were revived by Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson's love of freedom implies that he might have been planning to use the order to ensure personal freedom, rather than control people. A shadow organization is only bad if used for unpleasant purposes. Regardless, they built up power using their influence over religion, gained by the Priory of Zion and control of China, and over politics, gained by organizations like, but predating, the Trilateral Commission and the UN. What was more, they controlled almost all terrorism. All together they were going strong. A revolution here or there and all was well. Come the fifties, nineteen fifties, they realized that fewer people cared about religion, and politics wasn't going to control everything either. As a result, they decided to move into the arenas of capitalism and technology.

 

Alright, go on then.

Thus was MJ12 born, as well as the Bilderburg group. In reverse order though. MJ12 was to deal with technology of all sorts, medical, informational, whatever. Echelon was already in the works and they jumped on. The Bilderburgs were meant to deal with money, and so they did. With control of the rich, the World Bank, and the US Federal Reserve, in the area of money they were doing great. The UN was coming into power, all was on its way, but then disaster hit: The US went into rapid decline and the Illuminati decided to let it fall. Unfortunately for them, the US recovered. Now they had lost the control they had, the situation in the US caused non-sponsored terrorism to rise, and dissension inside the organization began. MJ12 thought the Illuminati had gone weak, they were pissed at how the US was handled, and they took over. Thus ended the Illuminati.

 

When were the Illuminati formed?

That's iffy. Dowd says that they date back to the order of assassins, which is from 1090, but he also says the order didn't really survive, it was just continually reborn. The most recent rebirth appears to have been May 1st 1776 in Bavaria... because, though we are told that Jefferson founded an American version a little later, it is based in Europe.

 

So who are the leaders of the Illuminati?

While it is never explicitly stated, we figure they were Bob Page, Beth DuClare, Morgan Everett, Stanton Dowd, and Lucius DeBeers. Or were at some point. Lucius declined before Page took power, so there was probably another on the council of five before Page forced them into hiding.

 

How do those five people control the world?

They don't; not strictly. They control the Priory of Zion, which gives them sway over the largest religion on earth, Christianity. They control the UN, which gives them control over a lot of politics; they control China, which is a lot right there; they rigged US elections before the quake, they controlled the economy, and their surveillance was second only to perfection. None the less, their power wasn't exactly absolute - the Soviet Union collapsed, and that was one of theirs.

 

How were they overthrown in the end, then?

Page was quick, that is really all we know. The general dissatisfaction with the Illuminati was touched off by the reaction to the events of 2030, and by 2035, the Illuminati had lost almost everything.

 

Tell me about the state of the world.

The world is a big place, what do you want to know about?

 

Start with North and South America.

North America seems to be about two things: Mexico and the US. Whatever Canada is doing, they haven't made a fuss. Perhaps they are plotting to take over the world like we always thought they were, maybe they're just laying low to stay out of the shit when it hits the fan, maybe they are doing highly evil stuff. We just don't know.

 

I always figured they were busy keeping the polar bears in their place / probably just trying to keep their igloos from melting.

Right. South of Canada though, problems came. The US was hit hard by plagues, various things of antibiotic-resistant nature. Doctors have feared that such might happen for a while, and apparently they were right to. The plagues killed millions, and then AIDS came back in force. We aren't given details on exactly what happened, but all it had to do was make it into the breeding population unnoticed for a generation or two, then when it came out, it could shatter the world. Finally things seemed to be looking up, a cure for AIDS was found. That same year, the West Coast fell into the ocean. Kind of a big thing that, must've been a huge deal. I wonder how it happened exactly, I mean it's not like stuff can just sink, even with higher sea levels, you've still got the problem of the ground beneath it holding it up. Must've been a huge event. Dealing with the West Coast was killing the US economically. Bankruptcy was a very real possibility, and the rest of the country was getting ignored, severely. So severely in fact, that one year after the quake, Utah left the union. Under the tenth amendment to the constitution, any power not granted to the national government is given to the states or the people, thus secession is totally legal, as the Federal government was not given the power to remove states from the union. The civil war should demonstrate that the federal government doesn't give up states just because it is the constitutional right of the state to leave.

 

After Utah said it was out, various others decided to jump ship too. However, unlike Utah, these are described as fringe groups, implying that they did not have popular support. None the less, a war went on to take back Texas, Utah, and those lands controlled by the NSF (Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming). The war succeeded in both keeping the states in the union and making people realize just how crippled the US was. Enter Mexico. The Russo-Mexican Alliance announced that it was going to take back Texas, which by all rights was stolen from them. The thing is that if you wait two hundred years to take back land, it's pretty obvious that you're just being a jerk. America was so weakened by all that had already happened, that by the time of the game, the Russo-Mexican Alliance controls much of Southern Texas, and the battle line is just South of Austin. The secessionist groups have regrouped and organized into one large group called the NSF, though now it is the National, not Northwest, Secessionist Forces. All in all, everything is going to Hell.

 

Wow, that's a lot of stuff happening in 50 years. How about South America?

Most of South America has been run by MJ12 for ages, but only on the surface. The truth is that the drug lords are in control and the governments switch regularly; whether it is a civil war or an election doesn't seem to really matter - most people's lives don't change at all. Actually, the Deus Ex Bible implies that there is something more going on; while it says that MJ12 does not have control, it says that it seems like someone does. If someone, not MJ12, is ruling behind the scenes, it means that there is a conspiracy group that did not make it into the game. Unfortunately we have absolutely no information on this.

 

Tell me about Europe and Asia.

There is surprisingly little to tell about Europe. As it always has been, Europe is populated by people who hate each other. As a result, the fact that MJ12 controls all of the governments there has not given them the control you'd expect. They control the government, they control the economy, but they can't make everyone get along. Eastern Europe is still torn by civil war, as it seems it always will be.

 

Hm, okay. So how about Asia? Anything interesting happen over there?

Well, it finally happened: India and Pakistan fired nukes at each other. It was this combined with the collapse of India's economy that made them join China. Quite simply, India needed the money; they were the ones hit hardest by the plagues, and they simply had no choice but to join China if they wanted to survive the diseases. Other countries in Southeast Asia gave in as well, trading their freedom for medical supplies. China, under the control of MJ12, was essentially untouched by the events of the rest of the world and, after finally pulling its act together, managed to become the major world power. However, it still cannot control its own cities.

 

Hong Kong remains free, and even though the forces of both the Chinese Government and MJ12 are against them, they remain free to pursue business ventures of all manner of illegalness. Japan is still pulling out of an economic crash and, though free of MJ12, is fairly useless.

 

Russia is, like South America, controlled by crime bosses, not MJ12. They are too fragmented to launch an organized attack on anyone, but with the help of Mexico, they were able to launch a semi-successful disorganized attack on Texas, one of the most divided states in the US.

 

I'll take Africa and Australia for 300, Chris.

Africa was hit hard and is only at the start of the game pulling out. The fact that their population has been hit so hard made it very difficult to keep killing each other. As a result, they have managed to start working together. That, combined with the fact that MJ12 controls the continent, has made them an "Eden" of business opportunity and technology. There is also a strong Asian population in Africa, mostly people who got the hell out of Hong Kong. New Hong Kong in Lagos is one of the continent's most active, screwed up, and successful cities; it has also managed to avoid MJ12 control.

 

And Down Under?

Australia managed to avoid it all.

 

Bloody kangaroos.

That's the benefit of being the only country on your continent and the only continent not connected to any others. Well, only reasonably inhabited one at any rate. They have avoided the plagues, they have avoided the economic crashes, they have avoided the conspiracies, they have avoided everything but the threat of civil war between the English-descended and aborigines.

 

Tell me about the security clearances.

I can tell you that they are based on angels and there are at least nine of them. If there is a tenth, which is subject to debate, it is "God clearance”.

 

Angels?

Yes, the clearances are based on the model of angelic hierarchy that is most accepted today. That is what allowed us to fill in the gaps.

 

What gaps?

Well, the clearances we know are Angel/0A, Archangel/1B, Principal/2C, Domination/5F, Throne/6G, Seraphic/8X. That means that clearances 3, 4, and 7 are missing.

 

What does it look like with the gaps filled in?

Angel/0A, Archangel/1B, Principal/2C, Power/3D, Virtue/4E, Domination/5F, Throne/6G, Cherub/7H, Seraphic/8X.

 

Who made up the model?

Well a guy named Dionysius did, based on stuff from the bible. More importantly to the game is the fact the Aquinas backed him up.

 

You mentioned God clearance?

Two times in the game, God clearance is mentioned. It refers to a clearance for things involving life and death. One would assume that it is the highest clearance of all since it fits perfectly with the angelic model. God is of course above all the angels and knows things that even the highest angels do not. Some claim that it is metaphorical, but I disagree. Neither time sounds to me like a metaphor, both sound like statements of fact. The fact that it is just called "God clearance" and not God followed by a number letter combination makes sense. God clearance is self-explanatory, you don't need anyone to tell you that it is at the top. Further, the change in style is not unprecedented. If it had been like the others, Seraphic/8X would have been Seraphic/8I.

 

The question some people ask is who would have God clearance - the answer is difficult to say. Certainly Page does, and of course Walton Simons, but who else? Well if you have to have God clearance to know about the kill-switch, you've got to figure that Manderley has it. However, doctors and scientists know about the kill-switch so we must assume that some people, whose jobs require it, know about it without God clearance. If Manderley was in charge of activating the kill-switch, he might be allowed to know even if he does not have that clearance.

 

Tell me about the angels themselves.

Angels are the furthest from God, their tasks include watching over individual people and being the messengers of both God and the more important angels. An archangel is just the next step up from angel, they manage the angels and lead them into battle against the bad guys.

 

I thought Archangels were the most important angels.

Archangel is a very old term that has two different meanings. Basically, in the old days people only divided angelic beings into two categories, angels, and archangels. The archangels were the ones on top. When people decided to make a more specific hierarchy, the nine order one presented here, those that were previously called archangels were put into other categories.

 

Ah, okay. Go on.

Principalities rule over those already mentioned, defend religion in general, and watch over groups of people, towns, cities, and nations for example. That is the end of the lowest circle, or triad. Powers are the lowliest of the second circle, yet they get one of the most dangerous jobs. They are the ones charged with maintaining the border between Heaven and Earth, getting souls into Heaven safely, and guarding against demonic attack. Virtues maintain the natural world, making sure that the moon doesn't fall out of the sky and it doesn't snow in the Sahara. Other stuff like that as well. As such, it seems natural to assume that their job is to uphold the laws of physics. In addition to that, they are the ones who take orders from the higher-ups and make miracles. The Dominations are the guys who watch over the bottom two triads and take orders from the top. They make sure nothing goes wrong, and generally stay out of sight of mortals. They're the end of the second triad.

 

Thrones are primarily concerned with moving God around. They are actually the chariot of God. I still have yet to find out why God needs a chariot, why he needs a living one is even more lost on me. On the other hand, they do occasionally do other work: They are the ones who deal out God's judgement. The Cherubs are second only to the Seraphs, and they have a couple of jobs. One is that they steer the Thrones, apparently God doesn't just need a living chariot, he needs someone else to drive it. They also personally handle the most important stuff - for example, throwing man out of the garden of Eden and then keeping him out with a flaming sword that can be turned all ways. In addition, the Cherubs also have the knowledge of God, and they are not the damned stupid looking fat babies on greeting cards and paintings. They are either described as sphinx-like creatures or the angels on the Ark of the Covenant.

 

The Seraphs are the closest to God. Depending on who you listen to, there are either four or seven of them. Other than giving orders to other angels, all they do is sit around God. They will not shut up, they constantly repeat the same word, "Holy".

 

What does this have to do with Deus Ex again?

Not much, it's only really the order that matters. Angels are the lowest and Seraphs the highest.

 

 

 

Порадовала реплика форумного гостя по детски пропищавшего: "Я слышал, что можно спасти Пола, но как это сделать?"

Все как в жизни =)

 

Забавно. Совсем другая атмосфера, это не DX, не 2027 и не Zodiac, но все равно это родная атмосфера для тех, кто любит DX и знает что такое общение на форумах =)

[Gelu McAllister]

Ты только сейчас начал играть в мод?)

Мне вообще мод понравился, очень сильно. Тем, что там есть куча разных шуток и подколов на тему Деуса и вообще самой игры и ее фанатов, и в то же время тем, что он достаточно хорошо передает атмосферу игры, только в таком чрезвычайно вольном, ненапряжном и несерьезном стиле, но второй мод, где я слился с персонажем (первым был Зодиак). Также очень хорошо получилось передать атмосферу городов, мне с первых секунд выхода на улицу понравилось, особенно этот дождь, прям сразу как будто в Деус окунулся как в первый раз.

[Dima]

Да, до этого сын играл.

По поводу дождя, хотя он мне больше град напоминает =) сыграй 2027, вот там где гроза так гроза!

[Gelu McAllister]

Да, до этого сын играл.

По поводу дождя, хотя он мне больше град напоминает =) сыграй 2027, вот там где гроза так гроза!

 

Верю, верю) Правда я как-раз таки дождь без грозы люблю, чтоб такой моросящий был, мелкий, средней интенсивности. Вот в TNM похож)

[Dima]

[SlashNet]

Ух ты. Два раза проходил мод, а не заметил.

[Gelu McAllister]

Я кстати тоже

[Dima]

А вот скажите, только без спойлеров,можно ли пройти TNM не работая на WC или PDX. Понятно что WC негодяи, но и PDX мне как-то тоже не нравится. Или найти Дьяблу без них никак?

 

И еще, прохождение без убийств возможно?

 

PS Поржали с сыном над диалогом, когда Тресткон после прогулки по канализации зашел к Кингу Кэшью.

 

 

Комизм ситуации заключался в том, что мы получили канадское гражданство в тот день =)

[Gelu McAllister]

Нет, тебе в любом случае придется работать либо на тех, либо на тех. И за каждую из них есть уникальные миссии, во всяком случае за WC точно есть(одна из них меня пробила на слезу, так как там был район ну прям с идеальной атмосферой Деуса, в отличие от остальных районов города; и в этой же миссии есть очень прикольная пасхалка)

 

А насчет прохождения без убийств - я честно не вспомню.